tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7314670552876504862.post6790936640493588478..comments2023-10-26T03:54:09.290-05:00Comments on Barkskining Up the Wrong Tree: On Cheating.Sunkisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07358765147482461258noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7314670552876504862.post-51566098888533839642009-07-06T13:14:46.058-05:002009-07-06T13:14:46.058-05:00While I can agree that it is in the game and avail...While I can agree that it is in the game and available for usage I don't agree that it should be used. Creativity is great but when you know its not supposed to work like this then you really shouldn't go about that. I cheapens the achievement itself and insinuates that you are better than a group who doesn't stoop to cheating. Say what you will on the subject but there will always be bugs in games like this. Exploiting them is cheating, cut and dry.Dillionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07683460656237996185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7314670552876504862.post-38013231455450366732009-07-02T16:02:31.459-05:002009-07-02T16:02:31.459-05:00I agree wholeheartedly that Exodus could have rele...I agree wholeheartedly that Exodus could have released a far more eloquent and perhaps even relevant statement on their 72 hour ban. Turning and pointing fingers at all the other unpunished exploits, while one argument, does nothing to help Exodus' case in this situation. The exploits listed in their statement and many more have graced the realms of WoW both in PvP and PvE situations and will continue to happen so long as Blizzard continues to release new content for people to explore.<br /><br />On top of the statement was Exodus' decision not to reveal their exploit until enough people cried foul that the encounter could not have been beaten without an exploit. I think coming out directly after the kill and releasing the video they have now provided may have lessened the punishment they received.<br /><br />The thrust of my argument is that punishment by banning is too cruel and relatively unprecedented in PvE as far as I'm aware. I believe a retraction of the achievement and a hotfix correcting the exploit would have been sufficient punishment but the 72hour ban on top of that to me is unnecessary.<br /><br />I guess a major reason I'm sympathetic to Exodus in this particular situation is the fact that the encounter is mathmatically impossible to defeat in its current state. I think there is something to be said for those who do that which is impossible, but instead of blizzard going "Aha, you got us there Exodus, nice trick," blizzard instituted their current punishment.Sunkisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358765147482461258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7314670552876504862.post-11206682728179918762009-07-01T15:11:12.427-05:002009-07-01T15:11:12.427-05:00"we found a way to use bugged game mechanics&..."we found a way to use bugged game mechanics" <br /><br />"Yes, it is 100% our fault for using a bug on such a significant boss fight"<br /><br />"We also filed a formal bug report on Blizzard's website."<br /><br />These are all quotes from Exodus' statement. They knew it was wrong when they did it. In this case their creative thinking was cheating and they knew it.<br /><br />In my opinion they are using this post to deflect attention from their wrong onto what they believe to be other people's wrongs.<br /><br />They never mention anything about getting the achievement and having it taken away because they knew they didn't deserve it. They didn't say anything about it publicly (that I'm aware of) until they were banned and had to defend themselves<br /><br />I know nothing of the incidents they mention involving Nihilum/Ensidia. It would have been nice if they would have posted links describing them.<br /><br />I the end, they're not complaining about getting banned, they're complaining about a perceived bias toward other guilds. I'm sure that this topic could be debated till the cows come home. I'm not informed enough to form an opinion on that topic<br /><br />As for the ending of the post, I think it took a lot of the steam out of their arguements since it makes them look juvinile and jealous. Again it deflects from what they did wrong.<br /><br />Great post. Just wanted to put my two cents worth in :)<br /><br />P.S. The date at the top of Exodus' post is "06-29-2009, 07:36 PM". Yet "Last edited by KAYWARRIOR; Yesterday at 09:25 AM" is at the bottom. Today 07/01/09. That's a time span of about 14 hours. Has Exodus changed some of the text of this post?Talifalanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06933115326114618733noreply@blogger.com